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although, many of us remember the pictures of john paul -- pope john paul ii who was extremely old and ill when he died. the supposition here is that pope benedict doesn't want to see himself in the same position we saw pope john paul ii. there may be some reasons regarding pope benedict's health that we are aware of at this time. but certainly we have seen it pulled benedick grow increasingly tired -- pope benedick xvi grow increasingly tired. we have seen him use a way of moving up the basilica of a moving platform because he was too tired during those ceremonies to actually walk down the i yelled up to the altar. -- down the aise up to the altar. these all decisions that were taken not to tire the pope particularly over christmas. which is one of the busiest times in the pope's schedule. easter is coming up and that is also a very busy time for pope benedict. he has obviously decided this is too much of a heavy schedule for him. and he will in fact resign, as a said, on february 28. it remains to be seen what may happen after that and who will be pulled for the very important easter
although, many of us remember the pictures of john paul -- pope john paul ii who was extremely old and ill when he died. the supposition here is that pope benedict doesn't want to see himself in the same position we saw pope john paul ii. there may be some reasons regarding pope benedict's health that we are aware of at this time. but certainly we have seen it pulled benedick grow increasingly tired -- pope benedick xvi grow increasingly tired. we have seen him use a way of moving up the...
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will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy and the applause by, again, members of his household and he is giving them his blessing and you see on his right hand, the fisherman's ring, it is cast for each and every pope, and when they cease to be pope, as he will at 2:00 this afternoon eastern time, and you see that traditional kissing of the ring, it will be taken and a silver hammer will be taken to it and it will be destroyed because that is also the papal seal. so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the gro
will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy...
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john paul ii made a conscience decision to die in public. not to say look at me, look at me conforming myself to the passion and death and resurrection of jesus christ. benedict xvi has made a decision that the church needs something that he cannot give so he should get out of the way. he should retire into the background. that, as ann just indicated and liz mentioned and i mentioned and he mentioned, is another way to bear the cross of christ. and i think it was a very strikingly personal last statement to the church. i'm not leaving you. and thank you for not leaving me. >> we heard the loud applause there, the pope was delivering the message in spanish, the church has seen growth in latin america, seen growth in africa, leading to questions, father, about his success so, whether it could be someone who is from africa, from latin america, maybe even dare we say, north america. >> could well be. the church certainly has shifted, as you say, it's suffering in western europe, yet there are 61 cardinals from europe. the college of cardinals th
john paul ii made a conscience decision to die in public. not to say look at me, look at me conforming myself to the passion and death and resurrection of jesus christ. benedict xvi has made a decision that the church needs something that he cannot give so he should get out of the way. he should retire into the background. that, as ann just indicated and liz mentioned and i mentioned and he mentioned, is another way to bear the cross of christ. and i think it was a very strikingly personal last...
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. >> wendy: pope john paul ii was very ill and stayed in. do you think there is something else? >> there may very well be. but part of the idea of the pope is the pope shows us how to live and how to die. it might have been the unprecedented challenges this particular pope has had to face. >> wendy: there is a lot of talk about the pope, the next one coming from south america or south africa. what effect would that have on the church? >> it would be wonderful. i suspect it will not happen. i think the conclave might argue there are challenges in north america, as well as europe, and they need a pope that can be focused. >> wendy: so you think the pope will come from europe? >> i suspect the pope will be from italy. italy. >> wendy: really. the church has been harmed with sex scandals, and is there an opportunity here to change that image? >> i do think so. i think we'll choose a pope that is extremely conservative, and i think they're going to choose somebody with great leadership skills, management skills, and somebody who would know how to handle this. >> wendy: who is your pi
. >> wendy: pope john paul ii was very ill and stayed in. do you think there is something else? >> there may very well be. but part of the idea of the pope is the pope shows us how to live and how to die. it might have been the unprecedented challenges this particular pope has had to face. >> wendy: there is a lot of talk about the pope, the next one coming from south america or south africa. what effect would that have on the church? >> it would be wonderful. i suspect...
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paul, ii? they will tell you only god knows the answer to that question. >> at www.ktvu.com we have dedicated a tab to the pope's resignation. you'll find more stories on choosing the next pope and the procedure. >>> president obama awarded the military's medal of honor to a veteran from northern california today. staff sergeant clint romesha served two tours in iraq and one from afghanistan. in 2009 his combat outpost was ambushed before dawn and outnumbered by 3 horntail ban. he led a charge into fly -- by the taliban. he led a charge into flying bullets. he was struck by shrapnel but continued to fight during the ambush that killed eight soldiers. >>> it's been dry around here as we go through january and february. we've had some of the dryest time between all of january and this much of february. so basically january 1st to february 11th. it is the fifth dryest in san francisco's history going back to 1852. oakland .53, the second dryest. so this period from january 1st to today has been re
paul, ii? they will tell you only god knows the answer to that question. >> at www.ktvu.com we have dedicated a tab to the pope's resignation. you'll find more stories on choosing the next pope and the procedure. >>> president obama awarded the military's medal of honor to a veteran from northern california today. staff sergeant clint romesha served two tours in iraq and one from afghanistan. in 2009 his combat outpost was ambushed before dawn and outnumbered by 3 horntail ban....
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i don't agree with john paul the seconds theology of the body but at least he's paying attention to the body a liberation theology is taught in many parts of the world the churches diverse it the local parishes do reach out my own parish has a a group of bt people that support strongly there mentioned in the in the bulletin every weekend but the lighting candles and supporting the hour is i think you would have some support that doesn't. so what you are the church we're the generation of resupport in our local pastors do that makes the difference now i have to say one of the things that that eliminated data from our d. conversion project is showing is that people are put off by the bishops i think that's entirely correct but they don't leave the church unless they start withdrawing from the local church as well and it's the local church that holds people in if a local church goes bad people tend to leave that's preliminary data but that's what our view conversion project study is showing so i think you know much of what you're saying is correct but you also have to look for other places
i don't agree with john paul the seconds theology of the body but at least he's paying attention to the body a liberation theology is taught in many parts of the world the churches diverse it the local parishes do reach out my own parish has a a group of bt people that support strongly there mentioned in the in the bulletin every weekend but the lighting candles and supporting the hour is i think you would have some support that doesn't. so what you are the church we're the generation of...
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i don't agree with john paul the seconds theology of the body but at least he's paying attention to the body a liberation theology is taught in many parts of the world the churches diverse it the local parishes do reach out my own parish has a a group of bt people that it supports strongly there mentioned in the in the bulletin every weekend but then a lot in canada isn't important to our is i think you would have to support that doesn't. so what you are the church we're the generation of resupport in our local pastors do that makes the difference now i have to say one of the things that. eliminate data from our d. conversion project is showing is that people are put off by the bishops i think that's entirely correct but they don't leave the church unless they start withdrawing from the local church as well and it's the local church that holds people when if a local church goes bad people tend to leave that's preliminary data but that's what our d. conversion project study is showing so i think you know much of what you're saying is correct but you also have to look for other places of
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paul ii was elected. this is a church that is very heavily in latin america. about 42% of catholics are in latin america now. they're growing as well in africa. only 25% in europe, but more than half of the cardinals who will come here to vatican city and who will announce a new pope are from europe. so, here's the big question. will there be a different kind of pope? there are candidates from latin america, some are talking about america's timothy dolan but most talk has been on cardinal from nigeria. we're still waiting to hear exactly when that conclave will take place. >> chris, you were there eight years ago when pope benedict was chosen. now there as he abdicates. chris jansing live in rome. >>> turning to weather, some connecticut residents are still digging out from this weekend's big weekend. hamden they cleared 3 feet of snow. some are upset secondary roads were not plowed but the heavy snowfall overwhelmed city work cruise. the storm is blamed for 18 deaths in the u.s. and canada. speaking of w
paul ii was elected. this is a church that is very heavily in latin america. about 42% of catholics are in latin america now. they're growing as well in africa. only 25% in europe, but more than half of the cardinals who will come here to vatican city and who will announce a new pope are from europe. so, here's the big question. will there be a different kind of pope? there are candidates from latin america, some are talking about america's timothy dolan but most talk has been on cardinal from...
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paul and who was here with me in rome when we covered the death of john paul. and carl, it is good to see you. and i'm wondering just about your general reaction now, eight years later, when many people thought this would be a placeholder pope, what are your thoughts today? >> i think that it was worse than a placeholder pope. that the church fell into a kind of morass because of its internal problems and the failure to modernize its institutions, the conclave that elected benedict probably could have seen this coming, it didn't. but the truly revolutionary act of this papacy is the resignation of benedict while he's still somewhat able. it breaks tradition and it's an extraordinary and brave act that perhaps will enable the next conclave to think differently about the future of the church. and i started doing some thinking and going back and looking at modern history of the church last night. maybe, they're always talking, the cardinals, about hoe the holy spirit may move them. maybe it's time for a new vatican council, such as pope john xxiii called in the mi
paul and who was here with me in rome when we covered the death of john paul. and carl, it is good to see you. and i'm wondering just about your general reaction now, eight years later, when many people thought this would be a placeholder pope, what are your thoughts today? >> i think that it was worse than a placeholder pope. that the church fell into a kind of morass because of its internal problems and the failure to modernize its institutions, the conclave that elected benedict...
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the challenges of pope john paul's suffering. and the way that perhaps the church might have struggled around him because of his own limitations. i think it's been visible to see the pope's weakness has been more and more evident when you see him at mass, at christmas masses this past christmas and some of the other major events, he sounded weaker and weaker. he's moving more and more frailly. i think it's a real sign of courage that he recognizes that the job is bigger than he is. as for the timing, this was all his own discernment and his own heart. as john allen just said, no one saw this coming. >> woodruff: sister christine, what about you? how did you read this given how unprecedented it is? >> well, i think it is very unprecedented. i agree with the professor. i think that... i don't know how he could have lived through the waning days of pope john paul ii's papacy and not been aware of how difficult it would be to continue vatican business. so we give pope benedict a lot of credit for the courage of stepping down. the oth
the challenges of pope john paul's suffering. and the way that perhaps the church might have struggled around him because of his own limitations. i think it's been visible to see the pope's weakness has been more and more evident when you see him at mass, at christmas masses this past christmas and some of the other major events, he sounded weaker and weaker. he's moving more and more frailly. i think it's a real sign of courage that he recognizes that the job is bigger than he is. as for the...
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that was the theme of john paul ii. it's the theme of benedict xvi, and it's going to be a very interesting ride into the rest of the 21st century. >> thank you for your wisdom, and john garvey, thank you for joining us today. we really appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> and looking ahead to the next 24 hours, the president planning to pivot back to the economy in tomorrow night's state of the yoon. we'll get a preview from the man who knows exactly what's going on behind the scenes at the white house. right away former white house communications director, speechwriter, don bair joining us next. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insuranc
that was the theme of john paul ii. it's the theme of benedict xvi, and it's going to be a very interesting ride into the rest of the 21st century. >> thank you for your wisdom, and john garvey, thank you for joining us today. we really appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> and looking ahead to the next 24 hours, the president planning to pivot back to the economy in tomorrow night's state of the yoon. we'll get a preview from the man who knows exactly what's going on...
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i don't agree with john paul the seconds theology of the body but at least he's paying attention to the body a liberation theology is taught in many parts of the world the churches diverse it the local parishes do reach out my own parish has a a group of bt people that it supports strongly there mentioned in the in the bulletin every weekend but the lighting can do isn't important to our is i think you would have to support that doesn't. so what you are the church we're the generation of resupport in our local pastors do that makes the difference now i have to say one of the things that. eliminate data from our d. conversion project is showing is that people are put off by the bishops i think that's entirely correct but they don't leave the church unless they start withdrawing from the local church as well and it's the local church that holds people when if a local church goes bad people tend to leave that's preliminary data but that's what our d. conversion project study is showing so i think you know much of what you're saying is correct but you also have to look for other places of p
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that pope john paul ii really needed him and wanted him around and discouraged him from those very thoughts. it is said that he will be leaving that congregation of cloistered nuns in the vatican. there he will pray and probably write. bill. >> bill: amy kellogg, thank you. reportingreporting from rome lie tonight in that fox report. president obama's offering appreciation and prayers for the pope. now he and the first lady have warm memories of their meeting with the holy father in 2009 at the time a spokesman said the pope was very impressed with the president and for his part the president said he looked forward to a very strong relationship between the united states and the vatican. today, the president said in part, quote: the church plays a critical role in the united states and the world and i wish the best of those who will soon gather to choose his holiness pope benedict the xvith successor. house speaker john boehner said the prayers and gratitude of american catholics are with pope benedict xvi today. our team fox coverage continues. "the fox report's" correspondent jonathan hunt
that pope john paul ii really needed him and wanted him around and discouraged him from those very thoughts. it is said that he will be leaving that congregation of cloistered nuns in the vatican. there he will pray and probably write. bill. >> bill: amy kellogg, thank you. reportingreporting from rome lie tonight in that fox report. president obama's offering appreciation and prayers for the pope. now he and the first lady have warm memories of their meeting with the holy father in 2009...
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paul ii or pope benedict xvi. the things like ordination of women in the priesthood, i do not believe it's realistic to think that whoever emerges from the sistine chapel is the next pope of the catholic church is going to overturn church teachings on those points. i do think what is perhaps not only realistic, but quite probable, is that one thing that is very much going to be on the minds of the cardinals who are electing the next pope, whatever else they do, it is critical to make sure whoever they pick has a profile of having clean hands on the crisis, that is, he has to come across as part of the solution to this crisis rather than part of the problem. >> john, thanks so much for your analysis as always. and also, michael, thanks for joining us. >> coming up, the oscar pistorius case apracticing worldwide attention. everybody has an opinion on what they believe happened. >> wait until you see this story. a mother and father in south africa they know they say firsthand what the athlete is going through. humans
paul ii or pope benedict xvi. the things like ordination of women in the priesthood, i do not believe it's realistic to think that whoever emerges from the sistine chapel is the next pope of the catholic church is going to overturn church teachings on those points. i do think what is perhaps not only realistic, but quite probable, is that one thing that is very much going to be on the minds of the cardinals who are electing the next pope, whatever else they do, it is critical to make sure...
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virtually all these cardinals who are picked either by pope benedict or by pope john paul, i believe, somebody correct me if i'm wrong, the average age is somewhere in the 70s, low 70s. there aren't if to really drive your metaphor into the ground, a lot of blue state sort of cardinals in that list, and so there are not a lot of obviously progressive candidates on the list of potential popes. i don't think progressive conservative, however, is the right optic. i think the real question is when you get someone elected who actually is open to change and dialogue on some of these issues, on the all male celibate priesthood, if not on women priests. birth control is kind of a separate issue. the church ares until this contraception fight over the obama plan, really hasn't preached very much about it. it's not only the faithful who let it go. it's really the church itself who sort of accept that. there just aren't a lot of catholic families of 12 kids anymore in most of the west, and increasingly, not in the third world either. >> e.j., i want to bring in our panel here in new york, and be
virtually all these cardinals who are picked either by pope benedict or by pope john paul, i believe, somebody correct me if i'm wrong, the average age is somewhere in the 70s, low 70s. there aren't if to really drive your metaphor into the ground, a lot of blue state sort of cardinals in that list, and so there are not a lot of obviously progressive candidates on the list of potential popes. i don't think progressive conservative, however, is the right optic. i think the real question is when...
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many consider him to have been the pope the last several years of pope john paul's papacy. the poor man was so wracked with illness and kept on coming out in an ever more frail state. he hasn't canceled any engagements. we're hearing rumors that he decided no more transatlantaic travel after trips to south america. the word we're hearing is fatigue. we're going to hear conspiracy theories ranging from everything to the vatican bank to the horrible sexual scandals. pope gregory in the 1400s was forced out. it wasn't volunteer. it was like a much more pleasant version of what happened to an curry. the last time this happened was back in the 1200s so almost 700 years since this has been done voluntarily. it's really, really a shock. this had guy has always been renowned for his command of power within the vatican walls. >> listening to everything you're saying and the history there, there's got to be more behind this. it's just not a job people and you can away from, and as history has shown us, i know there are conspiracies and all. what do you think is the reason he is leavi
many consider him to have been the pope the last several years of pope john paul's papacy. the poor man was so wracked with illness and kept on coming out in an ever more frail state. he hasn't canceled any engagements. we're hearing rumors that he decided no more transatlantaic travel after trips to south america. the word we're hearing is fatigue. we're going to hear conspiracy theories ranging from everything to the vatican bank to the horrible sexual scandals. pope gregory in the 1400s was...
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following john paul ii. that was a hard act to follow. they were looking for an elderly pontiff who would not be in position for that long and also there was no way anybody was going to top john paul ii in terms of charisma, in reaching out to the young, and, unfortunately, they didn't get a salgzman for catholicism in this particular pope, which will be a very important ingredient for the next one. >> he also had the burdens of dealing with the scandals after 27 years of john paul ii. he had to focus on the apology, the fact that he had actually met individually in his role as cardinal ratzinger investigating some of the problems of the abuse in the american church. >> he did go some way in terms of, you know, issuing an apology from the pope as a pretty lofty ideal, but, many of the, we still have a problem, many of the, worldwide with the sex scandal and the catholic church. they haven't addressed it at all levels. the vatican can pools. they can set lawsuits. there are a lot of damaged people out there who were basically abused as chi
following john paul ii. that was a hard act to follow. they were looking for an elderly pontiff who would not be in position for that long and also there was no way anybody was going to top john paul ii in terms of charisma, in reaching out to the young, and, unfortunately, they didn't get a salgzman for catholicism in this particular pope, which will be a very important ingredient for the next one. >> he also had the burdens of dealing with the scandals after 27 years of john paul ii. he...
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paul, ii? they will tell you only god knows the answer to that question. >> at www.ktvu.com we have dedicated a tab to the pope's resignation. you'll find more stories on choosing the next pope and the procedure. >>> president obama awarded the military's medal of honor to a veteran from northern california today. staff sergeant clint romesha served two tours in iraq and one from afghanistan. in 2009 his combat outpost was ambushed before dawn and outnumbered by 3 horntail ban. he led a charge into fly -- by the taliban. he led a charge into flying bullets. he was struck by shrapnel but continued to fight during the ambush that killed eight soldiers. >>> it's been dry around here as we go through january and february. we've had some of the dryest time between all of january and this much of february. so basically january 1st to february 11th. it is the fifth dryest in san francisco's history going back to 1852. oakland .53, the second dryest. so this period from january 1st to today has been re
paul, ii? they will tell you only god knows the answer to that question. >> at www.ktvu.com we have dedicated a tab to the pope's resignation. you'll find more stories on choosing the next pope and the procedure. >>> president obama awarded the military's medal of honor to a veteran from northern california today. staff sergeant clint romesha served two tours in iraq and one from afghanistan. in 2009 his combat outpost was ambushed before dawn and outnumbered by 3 horntail ban....
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ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that we are living through a day of enormous shock here in rome. not so much the pope benedict xvi chose to resign. he signaled two years ago that he would be open to doing that, but the fact that we had absolutely no indication this was coming today. precisely because of that, therefore, there are some enormous unanswered questions about how all of this is going to play out. i suppose the biggest questions would be, "a," what will the role of a retired pope be? will he continue to play any kind of public role? will he continue to exercise any influence on the future direction
ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that...
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under rules established by pope john paul, only cardinals under the age of 80. will the retiring benedict be able to vote? he's 85. who can be elected pope? any catholic male who's not married is eligible. for more than 1,000 years it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballot is secret. a write-in vote. initially two-thirds majority required. the cardinals are required to carry their ballots to the altar of the sistine chapel. the results are announced by smoke signals. in the old days ballots were burnt with wet straw to produce black smoke. if there's a pope, white smoke. the white smoke accompanied by bells. and soon, a verbal announce nmt latin, we have a pope. one of the more interesting bit of trivia is that they'll have on hand three different casts for the newly elected pope. small, medium, large. the first glimmer of who that next pope will be, we'll see when he steps out on to that balcony. george? >> we're joined on the phone by cardinal wuehrl, thank you for joining us. your first thoughts upon hearing this news. >> it was an enormous surprise. whe
under rules established by pope john paul, only cardinals under the age of 80. will the retiring benedict be able to vote? he's 85. who can be elected pope? any catholic male who's not married is eligible. for more than 1,000 years it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballot is secret. a write-in vote. initially two-thirds majority required. the cardinals are required to carry their ballots to the altar of the sistine chapel. the results are announced by smoke signals. in the old days...
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he has decided to ab -- he was elevated to the papacy after the death of pope john paul ii. news of this is reverb rating around the country and around the world. nearly one quarter of the united states, 74 million americans, are catholic, and worldwide there are 1.1 billion members of the church. >> encompassing a range of issues from contraception to policy. the timing of the announcement comes as a surprise. just two days before ash wednesday, which marks the start of the lentin season, the holyist period on the catholic calendar. joining us from washington, the host of msnbc's "hardball" chris matthews, and contributor and washington post columnist e.j. deon. chris, my colleague, the light in the darkness on many things political. >> right. >> what do you make of this announcement coming as it does two days before ash wednesday? it seems like a major surprise. to what degree do you think the catholic church will seize on this as a moment to pivot? >> you may think so, but i don't think so. i don't think it's going to be a moment of pivot. i think it's probably planned. i
he has decided to ab -- he was elevated to the papacy after the death of pope john paul ii. news of this is reverb rating around the country and around the world. nearly one quarter of the united states, 74 million americans, are catholic, and worldwide there are 1.1 billion members of the church. >> encompassing a range of issues from contraception to policy. the timing of the announcement comes as a surprise. just two days before ash wednesday, which marks the start of the lentin...
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most recently, pope john paul. before the body is moved across st. peter's square to the basilica. unlike all of the past popes whose reign ended in this room, benedict is the first to leave office still breathing. like a king, attending his own funeral. today, the dean of the college of cardinals thanked him for his service. benedict stood up and embraced him. the pope wasn't expected to speak, but he did. saying, among you is also the future pope, to whom i pledge my unconditional reverence and obedience. that hasn't been an issue for 600 years. today, vatican cameras will follow benedict's departure, minute-by-minute. 19 cameras documenting his trip, live. every angle covered, from his final wave at st. peter's. they'll be there with him on the helicopter, as he flies to castel gandolfo. there, he'll greet the faithful one last time from the balcony. and then, tonight at 8:00 p.m., the swiss guard will leave and the gates will close. symbolically signaling that benedict is no longer pope. so, who is actually in charge in the interim? the papal camalango is in state. we're sure i
most recently, pope john paul. before the body is moved across st. peter's square to the basilica. unlike all of the past popes whose reign ended in this room, benedict is the first to leave office still breathing. like a king, attending his own funeral. today, the dean of the college of cardinals thanked him for his service. benedict stood up and embraced him. the pope wasn't expected to speak, but he did. saying, among you is also the future pope, to whom i pledge my unconditional reverence...
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6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from fulfilling his ministry, we have learned that the late pope's the person in charge of his affairs. incredibly unusualnusual. right to dan lothian at the white house. did they have a close relationship. a typical relationship that you would have between a pope and world leader? >> i think it can be described as a respectful relationship, and the two have met, on one time face to face as far as we're aware, and back in 2009, overseas to agana and moscow, met face to face for 25 minutes, talked about billions of dollars in aid to developing countries and much of their discussion, food aid and discussion centere
6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from...
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he's very warm, has sort of those kind of qualities that pope john paul did, however, there are a few other people from growing areas of the world, they'll be looking at africa and latin america. there is also cardinal ouellet from question beck. he's from a huge diocese there. and even some talk, although a long shot, of cardinal dolan at 62. he's been a cardinal for less than a year and that would argue against him, although, a lot of people questioning whether they need someone like him, who's great at dealing with the media, great evangelizer at a time when the church is facing some, frankly, competition from protestant evangelists in parts of the world like latin america and africa, thomas. >> the one and only, the incredible chris jansing reporting live from rome. you can watch chris on "jansing and co." every day right here on msnbc at 10:00 a.m. eastern. chris, thanks again. >>> as president obama addresses north korea's third nuclear test at tonight's state of the union, he's also going to have an announcement on troops, our troops in afghanistan. just a short time ago, a sou
he's very warm, has sort of those kind of qualities that pope john paul did, however, there are a few other people from growing areas of the world, they'll be looking at africa and latin america. there is also cardinal ouellet from question beck. he's from a huge diocese there. and even some talk, although a long shot, of cardinal dolan at 62. he's been a cardinal for less than a year and that would argue against him, although, a lot of people questioning whether they need someone like him,...
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a great pope, pope john paul, and pope benedict xvi, also great pope from germany. both were surprises. certainly in latin america there are enormous challenges and enormous opportunities. large numbers of the faithful who are deserting the church. we need to bring them back. in fact, pope benedict had a trip scheduled to brazil this summer for world youth day. that's going to be a significant moment. certainly the cardinals will be looking to north latin america, too, as one of the candidates. >> quickly monsignor, i don't know if you see the photo of lightning striking st. peter's just 24 hours after the announcement. was this some sort of sign? >> well, certainly -- i live just a couple of minutes here. i saw it myself. i'm a witness. and i think the holy -- god himself was saying to us, these are going to be exciting times for the church. i am with you, i am present with you, and did not be afraid to go forward and make the right and the best decision for the church and indeed for the world. >> that's what thought when you saw the sflieng. >> yeah. i was some --
a great pope, pope john paul, and pope benedict xvi, also great pope from germany. both were surprises. certainly in latin america there are enormous challenges and enormous opportunities. large numbers of the faithful who are deserting the church. we need to bring them back. in fact, pope benedict had a trip scheduled to brazil this summer for world youth day. that's going to be a significant moment. certainly the cardinals will be looking to north latin america, too, as one of the candidates....
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he watched as we did, up close pope john paul ii suffer through those last few years of his papacy. perhaps he wanted to avoid that. now the former german cardinal, joseph ratzinger, was a conservative and advocate of traditional faith. he had to deal with a whole lot of issues between catholics and muslims and jews during his time in office. he also had to deal with scandal including the widespread charges of child abuse inside the catholic church. the question now is, who will be the new pope before the billion plus catholics around the world? there is some speculation it could come from south america, from africa, the developing world. history could be made but as we've seen in the past certainly there will be drama as well as those black and then white smoke signals come up from the sis teen chap nell. we'll be -- sistine chapel. we'll be watching. jenna: the twitter account we put up on the screen is something new he started. probably won't get the announcement from there. that would be a little too much. greg, much more on the story throughout the day today. big one as it is.
he watched as we did, up close pope john paul ii suffer through those last few years of his papacy. perhaps he wanted to avoid that. now the former german cardinal, joseph ratzinger, was a conservative and advocate of traditional faith. he had to deal with a whole lot of issues between catholics and muslims and jews during his time in office. he also had to deal with scandal including the widespread charges of child abuse inside the catholic church. the question now is, who will be the new pope...
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paul ii. have a listen to this. >> people said, if anyone should have resigned, it was he. parkinson parkinson's, couldn't get around. i think it is the image, the visual image of a man incapacitated. people say, well, how much is he really doing that? how much does he have his hands on the pulse of what is happening? >> chris cuomo this morning. father, do you think just straight up do you think his successor might find wisdom in the notion of hanging it up early, maybe set a precedent here? >> i agree with the quotations of the priest. we need a person, a leader, a real leader with good health, a wise man, continuing to train and i agree with benedict sistine and he has few guideline -- very clear, if i don't have the health, spirituality, mentality, and everything, i will resign. and it is simple for us. the doctrine is continuing to be the same. i think it is an example for everybody, the leader, the church, continuing. it is much better. resign now. >> italian popes, think of polish, curr
paul ii. have a listen to this. >> people said, if anyone should have resigned, it was he. parkinson parkinson's, couldn't get around. i think it is the image, the visual image of a man incapacitated. people say, well, how much is he really doing that? how much does he have his hands on the pulse of what is happening? >> chris cuomo this morning. father, do you think just straight up do you think his successor might find wisdom in the notion of hanging it up early, maybe set a...
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because most of them have been chosen either by benedict, chosen some of them or john paul ii so you've got a powerhouse within that and figure out where it is. >> feels like we just went through this a couple years ago and-- >> maybe eight years ago. >> clayton: thank you for breaking it down for us. >> clayton: coming up on the show, remember this speech? >> i urge you to beware the temptation of pride, the temptation of declaring yourselves above it, and to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses are an evil empire. >> clayton: a look back at some of the greatest moments of presidential history in time for president's day. run a red light legally coming soon to a street near you perhaps. we'll explain what that means coming up. es she is. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. 100% vegetable juice, with three of your daily vegetable servings in every little bottle. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day afr day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get hear
because most of them have been chosen either by benedict, chosen some of them or john paul ii so you've got a powerhouse within that and figure out where it is. >> feels like we just went through this a couple years ago and-- >> maybe eight years ago. >> clayton: thank you for breaking it down for us. >> clayton: coming up on the show, remember this speech? >> i urge you to beware the temptation of pride, the temptation of declaring yourselves above it, and to...